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Mỉ Mỉao ga Nhäqpy: Note on past-Neirani using {{t|p}} for {{t|ao}}

2025-08-24T03:35:35Z

Note on past-Neirani using {{t|p}} for {{t|ao}}

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	[[Category:Writing systems]]		[[Category:Writing systems]]
	[[File:Neirani sample.png\|thumb\|The words '{{T\|koıtıeq}}', '{{T\|saıram}}', '{{T\|loefeı}}', and '{{T\|dıaobıao}}' written with Neirani diphthongs.]]		[[File:Neirani sample.png\|thumb\|The words '{{T\|koıtıeq}}', '{{T\|saıram}}', '{{T\|loefeı}}', and '{{T\|dıaobıao}}' written with Neirani diphthongs.]]
	'''Neirani''' is a variant of the [[Derani]] script in which falling diphthongs are written as single letters, rather than using the diphthong mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}). This makes the writing system more compact and light on diacritics.		'''Neirani''' (formerly known as the '''Derani diphthong reform''') is a variant of the [[Derani]] script in which falling diphthongs are written as single letters, rather than using the diphthong mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}). This makes the writing system more compact and light on diacritics.

	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"
	! Official		! Official
	! Neirani		!Neirani
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}		\|{{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}		\|{{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}		\|{{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}		\|{{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}		\|{{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚷\|ao/t}}		\|
			{{derani\|󱚷\|ao/t}}<ref group="note">A previous version of Neirani used {{derani\|󱚳\|p}} for {{T\|ao}} rather than {{derani\|󱚷\|t}}.</ref>
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}		\|{{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}		\|{{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}
	\|}		\|}
			<references group="note" />
	As with the vowel letters {{Derani\|󱚺}}, {{Derani\|󱚲}}, {{Derani\|󱚹}}, {{Derani\|󱛃}}, {{Derani\|󱚴}}, these letters may stand for either a consonant or a diphthong depending on their position within a word.		As with the vowel letters {{Derani\|󱚺}}, {{Derani\|󱚲}}, {{Derani\|󱚹}}, {{Derani\|󱛃}}, {{Derani\|󱚴}}, these letters may stand for either a consonant or a diphthong depending on their position within a word.
	[[File:Neirani origins.png\|thumb\|231x231px\|The origins of Neirani]]		[[File:Neirani origins.png\|thumb\|231x231px\|The origins of Neirani]]
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	Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it!<ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>		Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it!<ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>

			<references />

Loekıa: Rearrange table

2025-08-23T17:39:56Z

Rearrange table

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	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}		\| {{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}
			\|-
			\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}
			\| {{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}
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	\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}		\| {{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}
	\|-
	~~\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}~~
	~~\| {{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}~~
	\|}		\|}
	As with the vowel letters {{Derani\|󱚺}}, {{Derani\|󱚲}}, {{Derani\|󱚹}}, {{Derani\|󱛃}}, {{Derani\|󱚴}}, these letters may stand for either a consonant or a diphthong depending on their position within a word.		As with the vowel letters {{Derani\|󱚺}}, {{Derani\|󱚲}}, {{Derani\|󱚹}}, {{Derani\|󱛃}}, {{Derani\|󱚴}}, these letters may stand for either a consonant or a diphthong depending on their position within a word.

Evie: s/p/t in table

2025-08-23T17:35:18Z

s/p/t in table

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	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚷\|ao/p}}		\| {{derani\|󱚷\|ao/t}}
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}

Loekıa: Loekıa moved page Derani diphthong reform to Neirani over redirect: The name stuck.

2025-08-23T17:32:28Z

Loekıa moved page Derani diphthong reform to Neirani over redirect: The name stuck.

← Older revision	Revision as of 17:32, 23 August 2025
(No difference)

Loekıa: Change the 'ao' glyph to titieq and elaborate why this is cool

2025-08-23T17:31:59Z

Change the 'ao' glyph to titieq and elaborate why this is cool

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	[[Category:Proposals]]		[[Category:Proposals]]
	[[Category:Writing systems]]		[[Category:Writing systems]]
			[[File:Neirani sample.png\|thumb\|The words '{{T\|koıtıeq}}', '{{T\|saıram}}', '{{T\|loefeı}}', and '{{T\|dıaobıao}}' written with Neirani diphthongs.]]
	~~When writing~~ [[~~Derani~~]]~~, we could get rid~~ of the [[~~diphthong~~]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}})~~, and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs~~. This makes the writing system more compact and ~~reduces the amount of marks underneath vowels.~~		'''Neirani''' is a variant of the [[Derani]] script in which falling diphthongs are written as single letters, rather than using the diphthong mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}). This makes the writing system more compact and light on diacritics.

	~~The Toaq name for this reform is {{dr\|Neıranı}}, after the total of nine vowel glyphs~~.

	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"
	! Official		! Official
	! ~~Reform~~		! Neirani
	~~! Mnemonic~~
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}		\| {{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}
	~~\| Broken {{d\|a}} with a tiny {{d\|i}} top~~
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚳\|ao/p}}		\| {{derani\|󱚷\|ao/p}}
	~~\| {{derani\|󱚺\|a}} with a tail~~
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}		\| {{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}
	~~\| {{derani\|󱚴\|e}} with a big {{derani\|󱚹\|ı}} flourish~~
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}		\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}		\| {{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}
	\|
	\|}		\|}
			As with the vowel letters {{Derani\|󱚺}}, {{Derani\|󱚲}}, {{Derani\|󱚹}}, {{Derani\|󱛃}}, {{Derani\|󱚴}}, these letters may stand for either a consonant or a diphthong depending on their position within a word.
			[[File:Neirani origins.png\|thumb\|231x231px\|The origins of Neirani]]
			It's imagined that the letters {{derani\|󱚶\|}}, {{derani\|󱚷\|}}, {{derani\|󱚸\|}}, and {{derani\|󱚽\|}} were originally formed by joining the vowel letters of each diphthong into more complex shapes that could still be written in a single stroke. {{Derani\|󱚲\|u}} came to be used for the 'o' in 'ao' and 'oı' because of its simpler shape. {{derani\|󱚷\|ao}} was assigned a wider glyph than the other diphthongs because Toaq [[phonology]] allows it to be pronounced as two syllables when stressed ([aː.o]).

	Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it! <ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>		Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it!<ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>

Laqme: add Toaq name, better mnemonics

2024-12-24T01:12:39Z

add Toaq name, better mnemonics

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	When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs. This makes the writing system more compact and reduces the amount of marks underneath vowels.		When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs. This makes the writing system more compact and reduces the amount of marks underneath vowels.

			The Toaq name for this reform is {{dr\|Neıranı}}, after the total of nine vowel glyphs.

	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"
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	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱚹\|aı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚶\|~~  ~~aı / d}}		\| {{derani\|󱚶\|aı/d}}
	\| ~~"High" spiral~~		\| Broken {{d\|a}} with a tiny {{d\|i}} top
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}		\| {{derani\|󱚺󱛎󱛃\|ao}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚳\|~~  ~~ao / p}}		\| {{derani\|󱚳\|ao/p}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚺\|a}} with a tail		\| {{derani\|󱚺\|a}} with a tail
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}		\| {{derani\|󱚴󱛎󱚹\|eı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚸\|~~  ~~eı / z}}		\| {{derani\|󱚸\|eı/z}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚴\|e}} with an {{derani\|󱚹\|ı}} flourish		\| {{derani\|󱚴\|e}} with a big {{derani\|󱚹\|ı}} flourish
	\|-		\|-
	\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}		\| {{derani\|󱛃󱛎󱚹\|oı}}
	\| {{derani\|󱚽\|~~  ~~oı / nh}}		\| {{derani\|󱚽\|oı/nh}}
	\| ~~"Low" spiral~~		\|
	\|}		\|}

	Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it! <ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>		Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it! <ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>

Mí shıukune: // via Wikitext Extension for VSCode

2024-11-30T03:28:07Z

// via Wikitext Extension for VSCode

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	[[Category:Proposals]]		[[Category:Proposals]]
			[[Category:Writing systems]]

	When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs. This makes the writing system more compact and reduces the amount of marks underneath vowels.		When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs. This makes the writing system more compact and reduces the amount of marks underneath vowels.

Laqme: Hoemaı comment

2024-07-24T00:24:43Z

Hoemaı comment

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	As a ~~further mnemonic, the {{t\|a}} diphthongs are both 9-shaped while the other two are ∂-shaped~~.		Hoemaı called this "probably not a bad idea" so maybe we should start using it! <ref>https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/311223912044167168/1206242114380242974</ref>

Laqme: mnemonic note

2024-01-02T01:15:55Z

mnemonic note

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	[[Category:Proposals]]		[[Category:Proposals]]
	When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs.		When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani\|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs. This makes the writing system more compact and reduces the amount of marks underneath vowels.

	{\| class="wikitable"		{\| class="wikitable"
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	\| "Low" spiral		\| "Low" spiral
	\|}		\|}

			As a further mnemonic, the {{t\|a}} diphthongs are both 9-shaped while the other two are ∂-shaped.

Laqme: initial article

2024-01-02T01:02:45Z

initial article

New page

[[Category:Proposals]]
When writing [[Derani]], we could get rid of the [[diphthong]] mark ({{Derani|◌󱛎◌}}), and instead reuse more consonant glyphs to write falling diphthongs.

{| class="wikitable"
! Official
! Reform
! Mnemonic
|-
| {{derani|󱚺󱛎󱚹|aı}}
| {{derani|󱚶|  aı / d}}
| "High" spiral
|-
| {{derani|󱚺󱛎󱛃|ao}}
| {{derani|󱚳|  ao / p}}
| {{derani|󱚺|a}} with a tail
|-
| {{derani|󱚴󱛎󱚹|eı}}
| {{derani|󱚸|  eı / z}}
| {{derani|󱚴|e}} with an {{derani|󱚹|ı}} flourish
|-
| {{derani|󱛃󱛎󱚹|oı}}
| {{derani|󱚽|  oı / nh}}
| "Low" spiral
|}