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Here is a list of edge cases that have come up, along with their resolutions if they are known. This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Here is a list of questions that have been asked about official Toaq for which the reference grammar does not provide a clear answer, along with their resolutions if they are known. This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.


===Unresolved edge cases===
===Unresolved questions===


* Do {{T|lu}} constructs work as high adverbs or low adverbs when placed in t6 and t7?
==== Vocabulary ====
* In the sentence {{T|She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da.}}, does {{T|róu}} access the inner content clause or the outer one?
* Will {{t|kóm}} and {{t|ré}} become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of {{t|máq}} and {{t|hóq}}, or should we use {{t|ké}}?
* Can {{T|áq}} and {{T|chéq}} be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like {{T|Kuq còu áq nháo}} valid?


===Resolved edge cases===
===Resolved/outdated questions===


* How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?
** In Delta, serial verbs are simplified and adjectives come after "nouns", so "using the first verb always" seems to work. This is IMO hinted at by the cartouches surrounding the first verb in Derani. [[User:Lynn|Lynn]] ([[User talk:Lynn|talk]])
* How is {{Tone|7}} written in [[Hoelai]] v2?
** Hoemai: "An overhaul of Hoelai is necessary."
** In Delta, there is no t7 and no Hoelai. See [[Derani]].
* Does {{T|shu}} quote only a word, or word + tone?
* Does {{T|shu}} quote only a word, or word + tone?
** '''Official answer:''' It quotes word + tone. https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/892671069197062175
** '''Official answer:''' It quotes word + tone. https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/892671069197062175
* What is the scope of {{T|sa}} in the sentence {{T|Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.}}?
* What is the scope of {{T|sa}} in the sentence {{T|Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.}}?
** '''Official answer:''' The {{T|sa}} is part of an implicit subordinate clause and does not interact with the scopers on the top level. {{T|po sa saq}} is an opaque predicate meaning "___ relates to some group of three individuals". https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/550783714867675148
** '''Official answer:''' The {{T|sa}} is part of an implicit subordinate clause and does not interact with the scopers on the top level. {{T|po sa saq}} is an opaque predicate meaning "___ relates to some group of three individuals". https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/550783714867675148
* In the sentence {{T|She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da.}}, does {{T|róu}} access the inner content clause or the outer one?
** '''Official answer:''' "Outer."
* Can {{T|áq}} and {{T|chéq}} be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like {{T|Kuq còu áq nháo}} valid?
** '''Official answer:''' "I think so. We probably want subjectless sentences to be able to be reflexive/reciprocal as well: Kuq còu áq 'there is talking to oneself'."
* Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does {{t|chuq rỏehuı}} expand to ‘{{x}} eats junk food {{x}}’ or just ‘{{x}} eats junk food’? [[user:uakci|uakci]] 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
** '''Official answer:''' "The latter."
* Do the reflexive anaphoric words {{t|áq}}, {{t|chéq}} refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that {{t|áq}} ''must'' be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. [[user:uakci|uakci]] 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
** '''Official answer:''' "Current clause."
* [https://toaqlanguage.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/miscellanea1/ Miscellanea 1] seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will {{t|noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea}} be redefined?
** '''Official answer:''' 'The intended redefinition for noa at the time was "(c) is difficult to (2)", e.g. noa choa "(c) is difficult to pronounce". […] As for jea, doa, nua, I think the idea was to switch x2 and x3.'

Latest revision as of 23:07, 17 February 2023

Here is a list of questions that have been asked about official Toaq for which the reference grammar does not provide a clear answer, along with their resolutions if they are known. This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

Unresolved questions

Vocabulary

  • Will kóm and ré become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of máq and hóq, or should we use ké?

Resolved/outdated questions

  • How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?
    • In Delta, serial verbs are simplified and adjectives come after "nouns", so "using the first verb always" seems to work. This is IMO hinted at by the cartouches surrounding the first verb in Derani. Lynn (talk)
  • How is falling creaky tone written in Hoelai v2?
    • Hoemai: "An overhaul of Hoelai is necessary."
    • In Delta, there is no t7 and no Hoelai. See Derani.
  • Does shu quote only a word, or word + tone?
  • What is the scope of sa in the sentence Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.?
  • In the sentence She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da., does róu access the inner content clause or the outer one?
    • Official answer: "Outer."
  • Can áq and chéq be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like Kuq còu áq nháo valid?
    • Official answer: "I think so. We probably want subjectless sentences to be able to be reflexive/reciprocal as well: Kuq còu áq 'there is talking to oneself'."
  • Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does chuq rỏehuı expand to ‘___ eats junk food ___’ or just ‘___ eats junk food’? uakci 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Official answer: "The latter."
  • Do the reflexive anaphoric words áq, chéq refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that áq must be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. uakci 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Official answer: "Current clause."
  • Miscellanea 1 seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea be redefined?
    • Official answer: 'The intended redefinition for noa at the time was "(c) is difficult to (2)", e.g. noa choa "(c) is difficult to pronounce". […] As for jea, doa, nua, I think the idea was to switch x2 and x3.'
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