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Latest revision as of 15:03, 24 October 2024

No Scope Creep is a proposal to remove the scope creep effect from the language.

THE PROPOSAL: Just remove it.

Why

Here is how the language currently behaves with scope creep:

Wide scope Narrow scope
No serial verb Sía raı nä shoe jí, ꝡä kuq súq hóa Shoe jí, ꝡä kuq súq sía raı
Serial verb Shoe kuq jí súq sía raı Not possible :(

And here is how it could behave without scope creep:

Wide scope Narrow scope
No serial verb Sía raı nä shoe jí, ꝡä kuq súq hóa Shoe jí, ꝡä kuq súq sía raı
Serial verb Sía raı nä shoe kuq jí súq hóa Shoe kuq jí súq sía raı

This pattern feels clearer, and it makes serial verbs (one of Toaq's superpowers!) usable in more situations.

On that note, Toaq experts currently consider 󱚲󱚲 (bu), 󱚺󱛎󱛃 (ao), 󱛆󱚴 (he), etc. to exhibit a kind of scope creep as well:

Wide scope Narrow scope
󱚲󱚲 (bu) Bu tı tú poq ???
󱚺󱛎󱛃 (ao) Ao muaqsho tú shıtuaq ???
󱛆󱚴 (he) He cho báq gochıq sía poq ???

Officially, there is no way to get a narrowly-scoped reading of the quantifiers. There is one proposal from uakci that uses the syntax 󱛆󱚴 󱚵󱛋󱚺 … (he nä …) for this purpose, but what if we just gave the above sentences narrowly-scoped readings?

Wide scope Narrow scope
󱚲󱚲 (bu) Tú poq nä bu tı hóa Bu tı tú poq
󱚺󱛎󱛃 (ao) Tú shıtuaq nä ao muaqsho hóa Ao muaqsho tú shıtuaq
󱛆󱚴 (he) Sía poq nä he cho báq gochıq hóa He cho báq gochıq sía poq

There you go. I really think narrow scope is a better default!

Why not

uakci says:

i think, in fact, that serials being "unitary" verbs that don't radiate semantics outwards across the whole sentence is a huge advantage

Maybe it is an advantage? But consider that even non-serial verbs can already radiate side effects: some can be undefined on certain inputs, some can create questions, and some (individual-level predicates) might even take scope. With that in mind, it's not a stretch to imagine that serials could take scope, too.