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==== Syntax ====
==== Syntax ====
* Do {{T|lu}} constructs work as high adverbs or low adverbs when placed in t6 and t7?
* Do {{T|lu}} constructs work as high adverbs or low adverbs when placed in t6 and t7?
* In the sentence {{T|She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da.}}, does {{T|róu}} access the inner content clause or the outer one?
** Hoemai: "Undefined. I'm open to suggestions." I suggest "always low". [[User:Lynn|Lynn]] ([[User talk:Lynn|talk]]) 14:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
** I suspect that it’s the outer {{tone|5}} phrase that [[wikipedia:c-command|c-command]]s {{t|róu}}, and not the inner phrase, which makes the whole phrase tautological. I recommend {{t|hoı}} in such scenarios. [[user:uakci|uakci]]<sup>[[user talk:uakci|talk]]</sup>
* Can {{T|áq}} and {{T|chéq}} be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like {{T|Kuq còu áq nháo}} valid?
** I am wont to say that Toaq anaphoras should only be allowed to go “back” – that is, that they must not be epiphoras. We could imagine {{t|kuq còu nháo áq}} as an interesting usage where it’s the {{t|còu}} phrase that takes subject/head position. [[user:uakci|uakci]]<sup>[[user talk:uakci|talk]]</sup>
* Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does {{t|chuq rỏehuı}} expand to ‘{{x}} eats junk food {{x}}’ or just ‘{{x}} eats junk food’? [[user:uakci|uakci]] 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
* Do the reflexive anaphoric words {{t|áq}}, {{t|chéq}} refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that {{t|áq}} ''must'' be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. [[user:uakci|uakci]] 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
* How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?
* How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?


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* [https://toaqlanguage.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/miscellanea1/ Miscellanea 1] seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will {{t|noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea}} be redefined?
* [https://toaqlanguage.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/miscellanea1/ Miscellanea 1] seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will {{t|noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea}} be redefined?
** = Need feedback on [https://github.com/toaq/dictionary/pull/129 The Great Serial Simplification] PR. Right now that PR clears the "frame" field on these words without redefining them yet.
** = Need feedback on [https://github.com/toaq/dictionary/pull/129 The Great Serial Simplification] PR. Right now that PR clears the "frame" field on these words without redefining them yet.
* Need feedback on [https://github.com/toaq/dictionary/pull/135 Add pronominal classes] PR.
* Will {{t|kou}} and {{t|ray}} become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of {{t|maq}} and {{t|hoq}}?
* Will {{t|kou}} and {{t|ray}} become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of {{t|maq}} and {{t|hoq}}?


==== Script ====
==== Script ====
* How is {{Tone|7}} written in [[Hoelai]] v2?
* How is {{Tone|7}} written in [[Hoelai]] v2?
** Hoemai: "An overhaul of Hoelai is necessary."


===Resolved questions===
===Resolved questions===
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* What is the scope of {{T|sa}} in the sentence {{T|Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.}}?
* What is the scope of {{T|sa}} in the sentence {{T|Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.}}?
** '''Official answer:''' The {{T|sa}} is part of an implicit subordinate clause and does not interact with the scopers on the top level. {{T|po sa saq}} is an opaque predicate meaning "___ relates to some group of three individuals". https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/550783714867675148
** '''Official answer:''' The {{T|sa}} is part of an implicit subordinate clause and does not interact with the scopers on the top level. {{T|po sa saq}} is an opaque predicate meaning "___ relates to some group of three individuals". https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/550783714867675148
* In the sentence {{T|She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da.}}, does {{T|róu}} access the inner content clause or the outer one?
** '''Official answer:''' "Outer."
* Can {{T|áq}} and {{T|chéq}} be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like {{T|Kuq còu áq nháo}} valid?
** '''Official answer:''' "I think so. We probably want subjectless sentences to be able to be reflexive/reciprocal as well: Kuq còu áq 'there is talking to oneself'."
* Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does {{t|chuq rỏehuı}} expand to ‘{{x}} eats junk food {{x}}’ or just ‘{{x}} eats junk food’? [[user:uakci|uakci]] 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
** '''Official answer:''' "The latter."
* Do the reflexive anaphoric words {{t|áq}}, {{t|chéq}} refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that {{t|áq}} ''must'' be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. [[user:uakci|uakci]] 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
** '''Official answer:''' "Current clause."

Revision as of 14:15, 1 July 2022

Here is a list of questions that have been asked about official Toaq for which the reference grammar does not provide a clear answer, along with their resolutions if they are known. This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.

Unresolved questions

Syntax

  • Do lu constructs work as high adverbs or low adverbs when placed in t6 and t7?
    • Hoemai: "Undefined. I'm open to suggestions." I suggest "always low". Lynn (talk) 14:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
  • How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?

Vocabulary

  • Miscellanea 1 seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea be redefined?
  • Will kou and ray become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of maq and hoq?

Script

  • How is falling creaky tone written in Hoelai v2?
    • Hoemai: "An overhaul of Hoelai is necessary."

Resolved questions

  • Does shu quote only a word, or word + tone?
  • What is the scope of sa in the sentence Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.?
  • In the sentence She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da., does róu access the inner content clause or the outer one?
    • Official answer: "Outer."
  • Can áq and chéq be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like Kuq còu áq nháo valid?
    • Official answer: "I think so. We probably want subjectless sentences to be able to be reflexive/reciprocal as well: Kuq còu áq 'there is talking to oneself'."
  • Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does chuq rỏehuı expand to ‘___ eats junk food ___’ or just ‘___ eats junk food’? uakci 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Official answer: "The latter."
  • Do the reflexive anaphoric words áq, chéq refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that áq must be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. uakci 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Official answer: "Current clause."
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