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(Created page with "Toaq could have an '''object-incorporating particle''' like Lojban's <code>be</code>. Let's call it «{{t|do}}» (in neutral tone). The idea is that {{t|vẻrb do óbject}} is a new intransitive verb that has the object slot filled. So, {{t|fıeq do lúa}} means "___ invents the story." {{Example|Pủ fỉeq do lúa jí da.|I invented-the-story.}} From another perspective, {{t|do}} just makes an object-incorporating verb out of the preceding verb: {{t|pỏga do}}...") |
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Current object-incorporating verbs are said to be "opaque": quantifications like {{t|po tu poq}} are restricted to | Current object-incorporating verbs are said to be "opaque": quantifications like {{t|po tu poq}} are restricted to a ficticious small "{{t|po}} + object clause", rather than the encompassing clause. | ||
Another way to think about this is that the | Another way to think about this is that the {{t|tu}} doesn't leave the ''definition'' of the new verb. | ||
Thus {{t|po tu pỏq}} always means "[∀P: poq(P)] ___ is P's", or in English: "___ is everyone's". | Thus {{t|po tu pỏq}} always means "[∀P: poq(P)] ___ is P's", or in English: "___ is everyone's". | ||
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I'm not sure if {{t|hao do}} should be "opaque" in the same way, but I think it makes sense. Consequences include: | I'm not sure if {{t|hao do}} should be "opaque" in the same way, but I think it makes sense. Consequences include: | ||
# {{t|Fíeq do sıa lua}} means "the one who invents no stories" rather than "no story's inventor". | # {{t|Fíeq do sıa lua}} means "the one who invents no stories" rather than "no story's inventor". This is definitely more intuitive to me. | ||
# {{t|Lỉaı gão do tu rua sa apı}} means something different from the old {{t|Lỉaı gào tu rua sa apı}}. This might be fine? Not sure which is more intuitive. Either is still achievable with prenex. | # {{t|Lỉaı gão do tu rua sa apı}} means something different from the old {{t|Lỉaı gào tu rua sa apı}}. This might be fine? Not sure which is more intuitive. Either is still achievable with prenex. | ||