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==== Syntax ====
==== Syntax ====
* Do {{T|lu}} constructs work as high adverbs or low adverbs when placed in t6 and t7?
* Do {{T|lu}} constructs work as high adverbs or low adverbs when placed in t6 and t7?
* In the sentence {{T|She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da.}}, does {{T|róu}} access the inner content clause or the outer one?
** Hoemai: "Undefined. I'm open to suggestions." I suggest "always low". [[User:Lynn|Lynn]] ([[User talk:Lynn|talk]]) 14:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
** I suspect that it’s the outer {{tone|5}} phrase that [[wikipedia:c-command|c-command]]s {{t|róu}}, and not the inner phrase, which makes the whole phrase tautological. I recommend {{t|hoı}} in such scenarios. [[user:uakci|uakci]]<sup>[[user talk:uakci|talk]]</sup>
* Can {{T|áq}} and {{T|chéq}} be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like {{T|Kuq còu áq nháo}} valid?
** I am wont to say that Toaq anaphoras should only be allowed to go “back” – that is, that they must not be epiphoras. We could imagine {{t|kuq còu nháo áq}} as an interesting usage where it’s the {{t|còu}} phrase that takes subject/head position. [[user:uakci|uakci]]<sup>[[user talk:uakci|talk]]</sup>
* Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does {{t|chuq rỏehuı}} expand to ‘{{x}} eats junk food {{x}}’ or just ‘{{x}} eats junk food’? [[user:uakci|uakci]] 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
* Do the reflexive anaphoric words {{t|áq}}, {{t|chéq}} refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that {{t|áq}} ''must'' be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. [[user:uakci|uakci]] 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
* How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?
* How is the animacy class of serial verbs determined?


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* [https://toaqlanguage.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/miscellanea1/ Miscellanea 1] seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will {{t|noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea}} be redefined?
* [https://toaqlanguage.wordpress.com/2021/08/08/miscellanea1/ Miscellanea 1] seemed to imply that (c 1 c) and (1 c) frames are going away. Will {{t|noa, fuı, doa, nua, jea}} be redefined?
** = Need feedback on [https://github.com/toaq/dictionary/pull/129 The Great Serial Simplification] PR. Right now that PR clears the "frame" field on these words without redefining them yet.
** = Need feedback on [https://github.com/toaq/dictionary/pull/129 The Great Serial Simplification] PR. Right now that PR clears the "frame" field on these words without redefining them yet.
* Need feedback on [https://github.com/toaq/dictionary/pull/135 Add pronominal classes] PR.
* Will {{t|kou}} and {{t|ray}} become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of {{t|maq}} and {{t|hoq}}?
* Will {{t|kou}} and {{t|ray}} become official, or will there be some way to "unbind" / force an exophoric reading of {{t|maq}} and {{t|hoq}}?


==== Script ====
==== Script ====
* How is {{Tone|7}} written in [[Hoelai]] v2?
* How is {{Tone|7}} written in [[Hoelai]] v2?
** Hoemai: "An overhaul of Hoelai is necessary."


===Resolved questions===
===Resolved questions===
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* What is the scope of {{T|sa}} in the sentence {{T|Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.}}?
* What is the scope of {{T|sa}} in the sentence {{T|Kaqgaı tu po sa saq sıa kıq da.}}?
** '''Official answer:''' The {{T|sa}} is part of an implicit subordinate clause and does not interact with the scopers on the top level. {{T|po sa saq}} is an opaque predicate meaning "___ relates to some group of three individuals". https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/550783714867675148
** '''Official answer:''' The {{T|sa}} is part of an implicit subordinate clause and does not interact with the scopers on the top level. {{T|po sa saq}} is an opaque predicate meaning "___ relates to some group of three individuals". https://discord.com/channels/311223912044167168/334810940392341514/550783714867675148
* In the sentence {{T|She dûa jí mâı súq jí cy cy, jêo róu da.}}, does {{T|róu}} access the inner content clause or the outer one?
** '''Official answer:''' "Outer."
* Can {{T|áq}} and {{T|chéq}} be used before the x1 slot, e.g. are sentences like {{T|Kuq còu áq nháo}} valid?
** '''Official answer:''' "I think so. We probably want subjectless sentences to be able to be reflexive/reciprocal as well: Kuq còu áq 'there is talking to oneself'."
* Does a genitival serial construction narrow down the x₂ of the head verb or fill it, removing it in the process? That is to say, does {{t|chuq rỏehuı}} expand to ‘{{x}} eats junk food {{x}}’ or just ‘{{x}} eats junk food’? [[user:uakci|uakci]] 21:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
** '''Official answer:''' "The latter."
* Do the reflexive anaphoric words {{t|áq}}, {{t|chéq}} refer to the subject of the current (sub)clause or do they always go back to the matrix clause? This is quite an important underspecification given that {{t|áq}} ''must'' be used in place of other anaphoric predicates whenever possible. [[user:uakci|uakci]] 13:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
** '''Official answer:''' "Current clause."
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