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Sometimes {{t|ru}} doesn't expand out far enough:

{{Example|Bủ shỏe nháo fâ jí ru súq ní rào baq lỏachaq da.|They don't permit that me and you come here on Sundays.}}

Maybe we wanted this sentence to mean: “I'm not allowed, and you're not allowed”. But as-is it only says that ''us both going'' here on Sundays is disallowed, because {{t|ru}} expands into the {{Tone|5}} [[scope]].

Prenex-rephrasing of such a sentence can be clunky. We might try:

{{Example|{{orange|Jí ru súq bı,}} bủ shỏe nháo fâ {{orange|fúy}} ní rào baq lỏachaq da.|For both me and you, they don't allow fúy to come here on Sundays.}}

Ack, that doesn't work, {{t|fúy}} gets overwritten by {{t|nháo}} on the way. OK, we can say this:

{{Example|{{orange|Lủ}} bủ shỏe nháo fâ {{orange|hóa}} ní rào baq lỏachaq {{orange|ky}} jí ru súq da.|Such that they don't permit hóa to come here on Sundays, are both me and you.}}

== Multi-target questions ==

{{Example|😬 Tushı mẻa mí Mẻrı roı mí Jẻıny bı tủa dủa súq jí gêo zé nhè hı ba|For each one among Mary and Jane: may you tell me how old she is.}}

It side-steps around the issue with a {{t|ru+moq}} translation: we don't want to ask which age it is that both Mary and Jane have.

In the process, it has become a command/wish instead of a question. It's also 17 words long and sounds like you're a robot alien.

== eru ==

If we had a version of {{t|X ru Y}} that bubbles up to the illocution phrase and makes two illocution acts, one for “the sentence if we had said X” and one for “the sentence if we had said Y”, we could use it to solve these different-looking problems:

{{Example|Bủ shỏe nháo fâ jí {{orange|eru}} súq ní rào baq lỏachaq da.|They don't permit that me and you come here on Sundays.<br><em>(I'm not allowed and you're not allowed.)</em>}}

{{Example|Gẻone hı mí Mẻrı {{orange|eru}} mí Jẻıny moq?|How old are Mary and Jane?<br><em>(How old is Mary, and how old is Jane?)</em>}}

== era, ero…? ==

If {{t|erV}} connects illocution acts, then {{t|era…da}} would mean “I hereby assert this OR I hereby assert that, or I assert both facts”. Or, {{t|ero…moq}} would mean “I hereby ask this, XOR I hereby ask that”.