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(Created page with "Toaq could have an '''object-incorporating particle''' like Lojban's <code>be</code>. Let's call it «{{t|do}}» (in neutral tone). The idea is that {{t|vẻrb do óbject}} is a new intransitive verb that has the object slot filled. So, {{t|fıeq do lúa}} means "___ invents the story." {{Example|Pủ fỉeq do lúa jí da.|I invented-the-story.}} From another perspective, {{t|do}} just makes an object-incorporating verb out of the preceding verb: {{t|pỏga do}}...")
 
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== Opacity ==
== Opacity ==
Current object-incorporating verbs are said to be "opaque": quantifications like {{t|po tu poq}} are restricted to the small "{{t|po}} + object clause", rather than the encompassing clause.
I'm not sure if {{t|hao do}} should be [[opaque]] like {{t|po}}, but I think it makes sense. Consequences include:


Another way to think about this is that the quantifications don't leave the ''definition'' of the new verb.
# {{t|Fíeq do sıa lua}} means "the one who invents no stories" rather than "no story's inventor". This is definitely more intuitive to me.
 
Thus {{t|po tu pỏq}} always means "[∀P: poq(P)] ___ is P's", or in English: "___ is everyone's".
 
And thus {{t|<u>po tu pỏq</u> sa kủa}} means "some rooms <u>are everyone's</u>", regardless of the other quantifiers in the sentence, and not something like "∀[P: poq(P)] ∃[K: kua(K)] K is P's."
 
I'm not sure if {{t|hao do}} should be "opaque" in the same way, but I think it makes sense. Consequences include:
 
# {{t|Fíeq do sıa lua}} means "the one who invents no stories" rather than "no story's inventor".
# {{t|Lỉaı gão do tu rua sa apı}} means something different from the old {{t|Lỉaı gào tu rua sa apı}}. This might be fine? Not sure which is more intuitive. Either is still achievable with prenex.
# {{t|Lỉaı gão do tu rua sa apı}} means something different from the old {{t|Lỉaı gào tu rua sa apı}}. This might be fine? Not sure which is more intuitive. Either is still achievable with prenex.
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